and I tend to disagree, there isn't really deep bass that will shake your house so you WILL need a subwoofer if you're looking for that, but I wasn't expecting these to replace a subwoofer

You are not going to shake the house with bass but they sound good for non-critical listening

I like loud and clean music and with my 15" sub, it fills the whole house.

Paired with a 12 inch sub woofer it shakes the house

And possibly shake down my whole house.